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Friday, 04 April 2008

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Drusilla

I don't really like featuring products on my blog (and, as a rule, I don't do it), but a couple of emails I received recently featured things I thought looked interesting- before that, all I got was emails with images of fugly clothing attached..

selina

great tips! it all seems so complicated though, i'm with the blanket no ads too!

bluehammer

I think some of the questions you raise are really, really interesting... but a bit off topic for the site so I'll try to stay brief (I'm always trying... and usually failing).

I think the questions you are posing are the ones that anyone should ask themselves before getting involved in a media or distribution relationship. Having said that, the amount of personalization you seem to expect is much more similar to a partnership than a transactional activity. In my mind, one of the things that influences that is the relative contribution of the partners. I don't know what level of marketing company is approaching you. I'm going to guess it's not LVMH, could be someone trying to start their business from their kitchen, maybe somewhere in between. I haven't seen any statistics on your site about hit rate or demographics (maybe they're there, I just didn't see them, and to be fair the demographics can be extrapolated from the material and comments) but realistically speaking how much difference does your audience make to any one potential partner? If your audience is large relative to their current presence then maybe you do have the leverage to play as a partner not as a provider. If not, well... you sound offended that they are not making the effort to "woo" you. Perhaps that's justified, perhaps not, I can't judge without knowing the scale of what you really offer, the other providers who compete, and what the parties mutually stand to gain. In my world, there are times when we go wooing and there are times when the impact of a specific deal just isn't worth the effort of that much individualization. Sometimes the first step is just to filter who may be interested, and then the wooing can commence.

Wanting to know how you will track the traffic and reward based on it is really fundamental, but again, I think the possibilities that the web provides for that type of tracking tend to make us demand rather a lot. I work for a large industrial, which is not at all the same thing, but when we buy press advertising space or trade show space or membership of groups like the Clinton Initiative the deals are never based on a percentage, and I'd be surprised if fashion magazines sold their advertising space on that basis. Of course we pay more for space in the better journals, etc etc. And the web is different. But for a startup the margins initially can be so minute there really isn't pie to share, so while they should be specific about how it will be measured and paid, I wouldn't expect much. Since your stated aim is not to make money out of it anyway, I will curtail my thoughts at that point, since I already went on for far too long.

Queen Michelle

I work for a creative agency and we do marketing and advertising so these tips, although few and straight to the point, are based on my experience from both sides of the fence.
Any relationship where money exchanges hands becomes a business partnership, no matter how small the financial contribution may be, and so I do think there should be a level of "wooing" from the start.
We get approached by companies large and small, of course none as big as LVMH!

bluehammer

Fair enough. Ultimately I think what makes the difference is the personalization of the space. E.g. if I owned a magazine with multiple contributors and advertisers, I wouldn't expect to be approached with "I think my product belongs in your magazine because blah blah and here's who else I'm advertising with blah blah" - I might do that if I was looking for a free promotion - but not if I was buying space. If I was buying space without any commendations from the magazine I would expect to be approached with "Here's what I want and what I'm offering"

On the other hand if you wanted to put a sign on the side of my house - different story - because it's a personal space.

In hindsight it's obvious that a blog is a personal space; however I can also say that I've never assumed that any advert appearing on a blog was recommended by the blogger. Or bought anything from them for that matter. Yours might have been the first!

enc

Nice one, stand up for yourselves!

One of the things I like about your blog is that I don't have to deal with aggro, flashing animated .gifs.

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